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		<title>By: &#8220;Transitions and Transformations&#8221; RPG Blog Carnival Roundup &#124; Critical Hits</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/nightmares-in-gaming-with-strangers/#comment-2623</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Transitions and Transformations&#8221; RPG Blog Carnival Roundup &#124; Critical Hits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mad Brew Labs brews up a post about transitioning to a new gaming group. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Schröder</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/nightmares-in-gaming-with-strangers/#comment-2622</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Schröder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that meeting somebody for coffee will not tell you whether they&#039;ll throw a tantrum when put in a tight spot (happened in my group), but at least it&#039;ll prevent the cat urine problems. I hope. I heard that messies don&#039;t look like it when they&#039;re outside their four walls. But even then I guess we&#039;d just choose another location. ;)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alex Schröder’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/Comments_on_2008-12-19_More_Than_I_Can_Chew&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Comments on More Than I Can Chew&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that meeting somebody for coffee will not tell you whether they&#8217;ll throw a tantrum when put in a tight spot (happened in my group), but at least it&#8217;ll prevent the cat urine problems. I hope. I heard that messies don&#8217;t look like it when they&#8217;re outside their four walls. But even then I guess we&#8217;d just choose another location. ;)</p>
<p><abbr><em>Alex Schröder’s last blog post..<a href="http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/Comments_on_2008-12-19_More_Than_I_Can_Chew" rel="nofollow">Comments on More Than I Can Chew</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: MadBrew</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/nightmares-in-gaming-with-strangers/#comment-2621</link>
		<dc:creator>MadBrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Harrison: That is pretty much how I found my last group, through work.  Still a great bunch of people, the gaming portion has just dissolved over the years.  Heh, I&#039;d love to hear LV gamer horror stories!

@gamefiend: WHAT! Your black!?! OMFG.  Your skill challenges don&#039;t sound black.  Just joshing you.  The &quot;inner negro&quot; comment had me rolling.  I think some people try too hard to cross some imaginary racial boundary...  Which is when you get dumb remarks like that.  He probably meant well, but had some ingrained notion that he had to identify with you.  Or he was just a jack-ass.

I do agree with you that most gamers are good people, some of us just need some extra attention on the social integration fronts.  Most discussions I hear about race at the gaming table involve whether or not its worthy of a level adjustment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Harrison: That is pretty much how I found my last group, through work.  Still a great bunch of people, the gaming portion has just dissolved over the years.  Heh, I&#8217;d love to hear LV gamer horror stories!</p>
<p>@gamefiend: WHAT! Your black!?! OMFG.  Your skill challenges don&#8217;t sound black.  Just joshing you.  The &#8220;inner negro&#8221; comment had me rolling.  I think some people try too hard to cross some imaginary racial boundary&#8230;  Which is when you get dumb remarks like that.  He probably meant well, but had some ingrained notion that he had to identify with you.  Or he was just a jack-ass.</p>
<p>I do agree with you that most gamers are good people, some of us just need some extra attention on the social integration fronts.  Most discussions I hear about race at the gaming table involve whether or not its worthy of a level adjustment.</p>
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		<title>By: gamefiend</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/nightmares-in-gaming-with-strangers/#comment-2620</link>
		<dc:creator>gamefiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehe.  The only problem I&#039;ve ever had with gaming with strangers was that some have umbrage with the fact that I&#039;m black (but don&#039;t &quot;sound&quot; it)..so we talk on the phone, make some great plans, they come over and it&#039;s eyes wide shut, some more jabber, than a &quot;gotta go&quot;, and some laughter (from me).

Also, at cons.  Not only do you get grubby smelly gamer going on, but one guy thought he was vibing with me by telling me his dragonborn was channeling his &quot;inner negro&quot; (no. I am not kidding you.  If only I could be so willfully full of imagination) and then starts in some theory about how the races are like different DnD races.  Because, well, you know, gnomes are like jews (big noses, like money...).

And he cheated. So bad he cheated!!!

But thankfully all of this stuff has been pretty rare.  Gamers, despite some quirks and the fact that they spend all day dreaming of being things with scaly skin and pointy ears (like me!) are generally good folk.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;gamefiend’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=126&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A new look, some new powers.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe.  The only problem I&#8217;ve ever had with gaming with strangers was that some have umbrage with the fact that I&#8217;m black (but don&#8217;t &#8220;sound&#8221; it)..so we talk on the phone, make some great plans, they come over and it&#8217;s eyes wide shut, some more jabber, than a &#8220;gotta go&#8221;, and some laughter (from me).</p>
<p>Also, at cons.  Not only do you get grubby smelly gamer going on, but one guy thought he was vibing with me by telling me his dragonborn was channeling his &#8220;inner negro&#8221; (no. I am not kidding you.  If only I could be so willfully full of imagination) and then starts in some theory about how the races are like different DnD races.  Because, well, you know, gnomes are like jews (big noses, like money&#8230;).</p>
<p>And he cheated. So bad he cheated!!!</p>
<p>But thankfully all of this stuff has been pretty rare.  Gamers, despite some quirks and the fact that they spend all day dreaming of being things with scaly skin and pointy ears (like me!) are generally good folk.</p>
<p><abbr><em>gamefiend’s last blog post..<a href="http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=126" rel="nofollow">A new look, some new powers.</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Harrison McLeod</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/nightmares-in-gaming-with-strangers/#comment-2619</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrison McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of these reasons are why I haven&#039;t gone back to table top gaming. The last group I was with was people I worked with. My whole department was chock full of gamers and all was good.

Once the department started to break up (the whole department got fired and I was the only one left - kinda like Corporate Survivor) the game also deteriorated.

I tried to find another group after that and let me tell you, finding gaming groups in Las Vegas is scary.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Harrison McLeod’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://capturingfantasy.com/changing-breeds-the-other-shifters&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Changing Breeds: The Other Shifters&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of these reasons are why I haven&#8217;t gone back to table top gaming. The last group I was with was people I worked with. My whole department was chock full of gamers and all was good.</p>
<p>Once the department started to break up (the whole department got fired and I was the only one left &#8211; kinda like Corporate Survivor) the game also deteriorated.</p>
<p>I tried to find another group after that and let me tell you, finding gaming groups in Las Vegas is scary.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Harrison McLeod’s last blog post..<a href="http://capturingfantasy.com/changing-breeds-the-other-shifters" rel="nofollow">Changing Breeds: The Other Shifters</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: MadBrew</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/nightmares-in-gaming-with-strangers/#comment-2618</link>
		<dc:creator>MadBrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bonescroll: Yeah, interviews are definitely in order, I&#039;m just wondering if one face-to-face is enough to make a decision...

@Donny_the_DM: Check, no &quot;vouched for&quot; peeps.  Yeah, I know Zachary Houghton of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rpgblog2.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RPG Blog II&lt;/a&gt; lives just on the otherside of Indy from me.  Seems like I have run across at least one other...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bonescroll: Yeah, interviews are definitely in order, I&#8217;m just wondering if one face-to-face is enough to make a decision&#8230;</p>
<p>@Donny_the_DM: Check, no &#8220;vouched for&#8221; peeps.  Yeah, I know Zachary Houghton of the <a href="http://www.rpgblog2.com/" rel="nofollow">RPG Blog II</a> lives just on the otherside of Indy from me.  Seems like I have run across at least one other&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Donny_the_DM</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/nightmares-in-gaming-with-strangers/#comment-2617</link>
		<dc:creator>Donny_the_DM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am starting to think that running into the brainless, smelly, infantile gamers is a rite of passage these days.

Having been through this (and other similar scenarios) before, I usually hold an interview before actually starting a game.  If you just get some gamers together, with minimal encouragement, they will start telling you all kinds of stuff about themselves, their characters, and the games they have / would like to play.

We meet at a low key public location (Denny&#039;s usually) and have a meal together, discussing why everyone is here, what they want, and what kid of game is desired.  The game location is kept &quot;secret&quot; and those who are invited will receive a call tomorrow.

It&#039;s worked for me, in fact, the only creepy weirdos I have had the displeasure to share table with, were those &quot;vouched&quot; for by multiple group members, only to find out they didn&#039;t really know them very well.

Too bad you are all the way over there in IN, I&#039;d game with you :)
Though if memory serves, at least three or four other bloggers are from IN as well.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Donny_the_DM’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/thefineartofthetpk/~3/487946012/my-4e-game.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My 4E game.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am starting to think that running into the brainless, smelly, infantile gamers is a rite of passage these days.</p>
<p>Having been through this (and other similar scenarios) before, I usually hold an interview before actually starting a game.  If you just get some gamers together, with minimal encouragement, they will start telling you all kinds of stuff about themselves, their characters, and the games they have / would like to play.</p>
<p>We meet at a low key public location (Denny&#8217;s usually) and have a meal together, discussing why everyone is here, what they want, and what kid of game is desired.  The game location is kept &#8220;secret&#8221; and those who are invited will receive a call tomorrow.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worked for me, in fact, the only creepy weirdos I have had the displeasure to share table with, were those &#8220;vouched&#8221; for by multiple group members, only to find out they didn&#8217;t really know them very well.</p>
<p>Too bad you are all the way over there in IN, I&#8217;d game with you :)<br />
Though if memory serves, at least three or four other bloggers are from IN as well.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Donny_the_DM’s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/thefineartofthetpk/~3/487946012/my-4e-game.html" rel="nofollow">My 4E game.</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Bonemaster</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/nightmares-in-gaming-with-strangers/#comment-2616</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonemaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is another one of those, I know the feeling comments. Having recently gone through a group vaporization, I&#039;m currently rebuilding a new group, which will hopefully take off in the new year.

The more I think about it, Find new players or a new group is like find a new job or finding new employees. There should always be interview process where the new players or the group are vetted somehow.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bonemaster’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bonescroll.net/node/145&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Player Networking&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another one of those, I know the feeling comments. Having recently gone through a group vaporization, I&#8217;m currently rebuilding a new group, which will hopefully take off in the new year.</p>
<p>The more I think about it, Find new players or a new group is like find a new job or finding new employees. There should always be interview process where the new players or the group are vetted somehow.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Bonemaster’s last blog post..<a href="http://www.bonescroll.net/node/145" rel="nofollow">Player Networking</a></em></abbr></p>
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