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		<title>By: MadBrew</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/reflections-on-dd-4e-love-hate/#comment-2375</link>
		<dc:creator>MadBrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sachiko: I agree that 4e is not what I was looking for in the next edition of Dungeons &amp; Dragons, and gamers get passionate about their favorite games, so I understand what you&#039;re saying.  That being said, I&#039;ve had fun playing 4e, but it doesn&#039;t do what I really want, but if people like playing it, it doesn&#039;t bother me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sachiko: I agree that 4e is not what I was looking for in the next edition of Dungeons &#038; Dragons, and gamers get passionate about their favorite games, so I understand what you&#8217;re saying.  That being said, I&#8217;ve had fun playing 4e, but it doesn&#8217;t do what I really want, but if people like playing it, it doesn&#8217;t bother me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sachiko</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/reflections-on-dd-4e-love-hate/#comment-2374</link>
		<dc:creator>Sachiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some months ago, maybe I would have behaved like an idiot and said some improper thing, but not right now. I must say that I respect your opinion.

I once thought that I could shove my own opinion about D&amp;D (That WotC has corrupted it into a kiddy game just to make more money) into others by sheer willpower, but by force of being kicked in the rear constantly, I have realized that people shouldn&#039;t give a crap about what other people play. They like playing 4th Edition? Fine by me. I&#039;ll play 2nd Edition with my friends, and won&#039;t mess with them. Everyone&#039;s happy.

Still, I must say that I feel sad with all the changes it has suffered. D&amp;D deserves something better... Or at least, that&#039;s what I think myself. Others can and obviously do think differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some months ago, maybe I would have behaved like an idiot and said some improper thing, but not right now. I must say that I respect your opinion.</p>
<p>I once thought that I could shove my own opinion about D&amp;D (That WotC has corrupted it into a kiddy game just to make more money) into others by sheer willpower, but by force of being kicked in the rear constantly, I have realized that people shouldn&#8217;t give a crap about what other people play. They like playing 4th Edition? Fine by me. I&#8217;ll play 2nd Edition with my friends, and won&#8217;t mess with them. Everyone&#8217;s happy.</p>
<p>Still, I must say that I feel sad with all the changes it has suffered. D&amp;D deserves something better&#8230; Or at least, that&#8217;s what I think myself. Others can and obviously do think differently.</p>
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		<title>By: MadBrew</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/reflections-on-dd-4e-love-hate/#comment-2373</link>
		<dc:creator>MadBrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 01:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Graham: I don&#039;t know Graham, if more people thought like I did, there wouldn&#039;t be room for the ones that didn&#039;t ;) Thanks for stopping by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Graham: I don&#8217;t know Graham, if more people thought like I did, there wouldn&#8217;t be room for the ones that didn&#8217;t ;) Thanks for stopping by!</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/reflections-on-dd-4e-love-hate/#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed on all points, madbrew.

Personally, I love 4e.  I also don&#039;t care whether anyone else likes it or not.

I only argue about it when someone is either lying about it (which results in less people trying a gave they might enjoy), or trying to pass off opinion as fact.  Neither of these are 4e exclusive.

All I ask of people is that they try a game (any game) before they tell other people it&#039;s (objectively) a crappy game.

To say you don&#039;t like 4e?  Yeah, you can do that based on reading previews.  That&#039;s fine.

To say that 4e is a minis game, a WoW clone, a card game, or just an objctively crap game, and to say such a thing as though it were fact, well, I&#039;d like you to at least try the game before making such accusations.

(I, for instance, dislike the Pathfinder ruleset, and have read through the alpha releases to confirm that.  But I&#039;ll never tell anyone not to play it.  I may say that I personally found it to be disappointing, but I&#039;ll never claim that as objective fact.)

I wish more people thought like you did, man.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Graham’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/criticalanklebites/~3/391333677/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pathfinder 24-25 - Speed Run!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on all points, madbrew.</p>
<p>Personally, I love 4e.  I also don&#8217;t care whether anyone else likes it or not.</p>
<p>I only argue about it when someone is either lying about it (which results in less people trying a gave they might enjoy), or trying to pass off opinion as fact.  Neither of these are 4e exclusive.</p>
<p>All I ask of people is that they try a game (any game) before they tell other people it&#8217;s (objectively) a crappy game.</p>
<p>To say you don&#8217;t like 4e?  Yeah, you can do that based on reading previews.  That&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>To say that 4e is a minis game, a WoW clone, a card game, or just an objctively crap game, and to say such a thing as though it were fact, well, I&#8217;d like you to at least try the game before making such accusations.</p>
<p>(I, for instance, dislike the Pathfinder ruleset, and have read through the alpha releases to confirm that.  But I&#8217;ll never tell anyone not to play it.  I may say that I personally found it to be disappointing, but I&#8217;ll never claim that as objective fact.)</p>
<p>I wish more people thought like you did, man.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Graham’s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/criticalanklebites/~3/391333677/" rel="nofollow">Pathfinder 24-25 &#8211; Speed Run!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: madbrewlabs</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/reflections-on-dd-4e-love-hate/#comment-2370</link>
		<dc:creator>madbrewlabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carlgnash: I agree that rules can be ignored and broken; I don&#039;t think I have ever played a vanilla version of any game system. I hope some other company comes out with a dungeon creator that is free (though I would settle for a one time purchase fee).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carlgnash: I agree that rules can be ignored and broken; I don&#8217;t think I have ever played a vanilla version of any game system. I hope some other company comes out with a dungeon creator that is free (though I would settle for a one time purchase fee).</p>
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		<title>By: carlgnash</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/reflections-on-dd-4e-love-hate/#comment-2371</link>
		<dc:creator>carlgnash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you did not come off as overly supportive of 4e to me.  I liked the car metaphor, I think it nicely sums up what is going on and everyone who doesn&#039;t like 4e is welcome to keep fixing up their old hot rods with vintage parts or brand new components from the pathfinder garage.  I for one will run 4e with my group when we finish our current campaign, but I will modify it heavily (as I have done with every version of D&amp;D I have ever played).  Rules are made to be broken or ignored if you don&#039;t like them.  I do like the looks of the online dungeon creator, and I wish it would hurry up and arrive already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you did not come off as overly supportive of 4e to me.  I liked the car metaphor, I think it nicely sums up what is going on and everyone who doesn&#8217;t like 4e is welcome to keep fixing up their old hot rods with vintage parts or brand new components from the pathfinder garage.  I for one will run 4e with my group when we finish our current campaign, but I will modify it heavily (as I have done with every version of D&amp;D I have ever played).  Rules are made to be broken or ignored if you don&#8217;t like them.  I do like the looks of the online dungeon creator, and I wish it would hurry up and arrive already.</p>
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		<title>By: madbrewlabs</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/reflections-on-dd-4e-love-hate/#comment-2369</link>
		<dc:creator>madbrewlabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the first comment on my blog just had to be loaded. You completely missed the mark on tagging me as a closet 4e fanboy.  I think my statements pretty much speak for themselves as well as the fact that I dedicated the majority of this blog to document the development of my own d20 system, since I don&#039;t like the flavor of the new edition.

You are a shining example of the point of this particular post.  You come on here, calling me a 4e fanboi (ooh, even used the supposedly more heinous version of the word too), and ranting on before could even digest what I was talking about.

You did present a valid point.  Perhaps it did come off like I had my panties in a bunch, maybe I do.  But I think I had plenty of reason... which you may read as rationale (and I should have spelled as &quot;reasoning&quot;).  You may have reasons... but that doesn&#039;t mean they make sense.

And I dislike a lot of what Wizards of the Coast has done lately.. but it really has nothing to do with the D&amp;D rules... just their GSL and the motivations behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the first comment on my blog just had to be loaded. You completely missed the mark on tagging me as a closet 4e fanboy.  I think my statements pretty much speak for themselves as well as the fact that I dedicated the majority of this blog to document the development of my own d20 system, since I don&#8217;t like the flavor of the new edition.</p>
<p>You are a shining example of the point of this particular post.  You come on here, calling me a 4e fanboi (ooh, even used the supposedly more heinous version of the word too), and ranting on before could even digest what I was talking about.</p>
<p>You did present a valid point.  Perhaps it did come off like I had my panties in a bunch, maybe I do.  But I think I had plenty of reason&#8230; which you may read as rationale (and I should have spelled as &#8220;reasoning&#8221;).  You may have reasons&#8230; but that doesn&#8217;t mean they make sense.</p>
<p>And I dislike a lot of what Wizards of the Coast has done lately.. but it really has nothing to do with the D&amp;D rules&#8230; just their GSL and the motivations behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Slowbuyer</title>
		<link>http://madbrewlabs.com/reflections-on-dd-4e-love-hate/#comment-2368</link>
		<dc:creator>Slowbuyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you getting your panties in a twist over other people&#039;s opinions?  I have been following blogs and forums on D&amp;D 4e too, and in the majority of cases there are reasons behind opinions.  Heck, even those opinions in every one of your links have reasons.  Yet you ended your blog with &quot;Just have some reason behind your opinions&quot;, which is getting my panties in a twist.  If you are a closet 4e fanboi pretending to be a rational blogger who dislike other people&#039;s reasons for disliking what WOTC has done then just say so, instead writing this garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you getting your panties in a twist over other people&#8217;s opinions?  I have been following blogs and forums on D&amp;D 4e too, and in the majority of cases there are reasons behind opinions.  Heck, even those opinions in every one of your links have reasons.  Yet you ended your blog with &#8220;Just have some reason behind your opinions&#8221;, which is getting my panties in a twist.  If you are a closet 4e fanboi pretending to be a rational blogger who dislike other people&#8217;s reasons for disliking what WOTC has done then just say so, instead writing this garbage.</p>
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